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I bought Figma stock during the SaaSpocalypse panic. Talking to @mcolyer, Figma's director of product management for developers, made me wish I'd bought more. He joined me on @every's AI & I to make the case for a SaaS resurgence—and to explain why chat-based tools are the wrong interface for design. We get into: - Why running your own agents makes you more willing to pay for SaaS, not less - How Figma's MCP server allows you to approach design work from two directions: Take a live web page and reconstruct it on the Figma canvas, or hand a Figma design over to an agent so it can makes changes via pull request - The inherent limits of chat-based design, a format that isn’t equipped to generate lots of new ideas -Why review is the next bottleneck, and potential solutions for helping teams scale evaluations Watch below! Timestamps 0:01:03 - Introduction 0:02:15 - The SaaSpocalypse narrative has it backwards 0:05:27 - Matt’s email-agent origin story 0:13:21 - Divergent vs. convergent design thinking 0:17:39 - Figma’s MCP server 0:19:45 - Why design agents need personalization 0:22:09 - Every problem is a context problem 0:25:12 - Apple and Google as the reigning kings of context 0:28:18 - Why review is the new bottleneck
我是在 SaaSpocalypse 恐慌期间买入 Figma 股票的。和 @mcolyer——Figma 负责开发者方向产品管理的总监——聊过之后，我甚至希望自己当时买得更多。他来到了 @every 的 AI & I 节目，和我一起论证 SaaS 复兴的理由——并解释为什么基于聊天的工具并不是设计的正确 interface（界面）。我们聊到了：- 为什么自己运行 agent（智能体）会让你更愿意为 SaaS 付费，而不是更不愿意 - Figma 的 MCP server 如何让你从两个方向切入设计工作：把一个在线网页拿来，在 Figma canvas 上重建；或者把一个 Figma 设计交给 agent，让它通过 pull request 做修改 - 基于聊天的设计方式有哪些内在局限，这种形式并不适合生成大量新想法 - 为什么 review（评审）会成为下一个瓶颈，以及有哪些潜在方案可以帮助团队扩大评估规模。请看下方视频！时间戳：0:01:03 - 介绍；0:02:15 - SaaSpocalypse 这套叙事把方向搞反了；0:05:27 - Matt 的 email-agent 起源故事；0:13:21 - 发散式与收敛式设计思维；0:17:39 - Figma 的 MCP server；0:19:45 - 为什么设计 agent 需要个性化；0:22:09 - 每个问题本质上都是 context（上下文）问题；0:25:12 - Apple 和 Google 作为 context 领域当之无愧的王者；0:28:18 - 为什么 review 是新的瓶颈
Can you look the machine god in the face and keep your feet on the ground? Can you refuse to confuse your self with what can be measured, verbalized, or grasped? If so, you will go far.
你能直视 machine god，却依然脚踏实地吗？你能拒绝把自我与那些可以被测量、被言说、被把握的东西混为一谈吗？如果可以，你会走得很远。